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Arousal, Desire & Lust: The Sex Talk You Never Got

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Sam Jolman

Today, Sam Joelman joins Kait and JJ for a candid and healing conversation about arousal, sexual ethics, and navigating boundaries in Christian dating, reframing shame around sexuality, and empowering couples to co-create their own values-based approach.

Introduction

Hey Heart of Dating fam! We’re back and diving straight into an episode SO many of you have been waiting for. If you’ve ever felt confused, ashamed, or starved for healthy conversation around sex and boundaries while dating as a Christian… you are not alone. Today’s episode is a game-changer: we welcomed Sam Joelman, therapist, author, and expert on trauma, sexuality, and men’s healing, to help us finally start talking about what it means to experience arousal, build boundaries, and kick shame to the curb. Whether you’re dating, single, or contemplating how your past impacts your present, you’ll want to stick around for this one!

The Sex Talk We Never Got

We all have a story around sexuality. If you grew up in the church (shoutout, evangelical fam), chances are “the talk” was nonexistent, hush-hush, or handed to you in the form of a cringey book awkwardly left on your bed. Kait and JJ opened up about their own lack of real, honest conversation around sex growing up, and Sam pointed out that for many of us, our understanding of sex is often inherited from what our parents didn’t say—and from what their parents didn’t say before them.

This “sexual inheritance,” as Sam calls it, influences not just what we know about sex (or don’t), but how we feel about our bodies, arousal, even just using anatomically correct words! The result? Generational shame gets handed down in silence.

Arousal vs. Desire vs. Lust—What No One Explained

Purity culture often taught us that arousal means you’ve already messed up—that if your body “feels something,” you’ve entered the danger zone of lust and sin! Sam broke down what’s missing in that definition: arousal is just your body’s radar saying something is sexually relevant to you. It’s not a moral crisis, but an indicator, a gift God built into us. Desire is where we start participating: what we do with the arousal. That’s the crossroads—where we can respond with integrity, gratitude, or objectification and lust.

This is the place most dating couples get stuck: “If I feel attracted, am I wrong? Is being turned on sinful?” The answer from Sam is a liberating NO. Your body working is a sign of health, not corruption. What matters isn’t the feeling, but what you decide to do next.

Setting Boundaries: Wisdom Over Legalism

Let’s be real, boundaries in dating can feel like a confusing mess. If you grew up with a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach or a checklist of what counts as “going too far,” you know how paralyzing or shaming that can feel. Sam challenged the HOD fam to move away from just looking for “the line”—the minimum requirement to avoid sinning—and instead to build a values-based ethic. Ask: What story do I want to write with my sexuality? What honors my body, God, and my future spouse?

That means drawing wise boundaries before you’re in a heated moment so the goal isn’t just “how close can I get before it’s wrong,” but “how can I move toward this with integrity, joy, and freedom?” The wisdom for one person might be leaving at 10pm so you don’t end up in a vulnerable situation. For someone else, it might mean a no-sleepovers policy even as an older single. Boundaries don’t mean shame—they mean respect for yourself, your partner, and your relationship with God.

Moving from Shame to Curiosity

One of the biggest takeaways? The difference between shame and conviction. Shame shuts us down; it says we’re “bad” for experiencing or even thinking about sex. Conviction, by contrast, invites curiosity: “Why did I do that? What was I really seeking in looking up my ex on Instagram, or replaying a fantasy, or going further than I meant to?” God models this with Adam and Eve—He asked them questions, invited them to reflect, and drew them close rather than sending them away.

In your journey, replace self-condemnation with curiosity and kindness. Ask, “What part of my story or my heart is activated here? How can I bring this to God, trusted friends, community, and even a counselor?” True healing happens when shame loses its grip and we’re able to talk about what we want, need, and hope for.

Boundaries, Consent, and Relationships Built on Respect

A healthy relationship involves two people bringing their boundaries to the table and respecting one another. If someone can’t or won’t honor your limits, it’s a red flag. Healthy couples learn to talk openly about their boundaries without shaming themselves or each other—because respect, safety, and honest communication now lay the foundation for intimacy and joy later.

Sam reminded us: boundaries aren’t just about restriction—they’re also about consent, safety, and mutual delight. If all your “play” is reserved for the bedroom, you’ll miss out on the joy of discovering new ways to connect, laugh, and enjoy each other’s company in dating and marriage.

Conclusion: Owning Your Story, Co-Creating with God

At the end of the day, your sexual ethic is something you co-create with God, not something you blindly inherit. It’s not about “just telling me where the line is.” It’s about boldly facing your story—your wounds, your joys, your hopes—and asking God, “How can I honor you and myself as a sexual being made for goodness?” Bring your friends, mentors, and safe community along for that journey.

You’re not alone in this. Your story matters. And every step toward honesty, freedom, and compassion is worth celebrating!

Check out Sam’s book, “The Sex Talk You Never Got,” for more honest conversations and practical tools, and don’t forget to rate and review the Heart of Dating podcast to help more people kick shame to the curb and find hope in their dating lives. See you next week, fam!

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Sam Jolman (MA LPC) is a trauma therapist with over twenty years of experience specializing in men’s issues and sexual trauma recovery. Being a therapist has given him a front row seat to hear hundreds of men and women share their stories. His writing flows out of this unique opportunity to help people know and heal their stories, and find greater sexual wholeness and aliveness. He received his master’s in counseling from Reformed Theological Seminary and was further trained in Narrative Focused Trauma Care through the Allender Center at The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. Sam lives in Colorado with his wife and three sons. Together, they enjoy exploring the best camping spots in Colorado in a pop-up camper. Sam goes to therapy, loves fly fishing and can often be found trying to catch his breath on the floor of his local CrossFit gym. Read more from Sam at his website, on Substack or various social media platforms. 

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